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04/11/2012 01:30 PM Senate JUDICIARY


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= HB 224 SALES OF NICOTINE PRODUCTS TO MINOR
Moved CSHB 224(FIN) am Out of Committee
= HB 55 KNIVES, GRAVITY KNIFE & SWITCHBLADE
Moved CSHB 55(JUD) Out of Committee
+ HB 343 DISCLOSURE OF CHILDREN'S RECORDS TELECONFERENCED
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+ HB 168 INJUNCTION SECURITY: INDUSTRIAL OPERATION TELECONFERENCED
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        HB 168-INJUNCTION SECURITY: INDUSTRIAL OPERATION                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
2:05:40 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR FRENCH  announced the  consideration of  HB 168,  and noted                                                               
the committee had lost its quorum.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
2:06:12 PM                                                                                                                    
REPRESENTATIVE ERIC FEIGE,  sponsor of HB 168,  introduced HB 168                                                               
speaking to the following sponsor statement:                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
     Under current law  the cost to bring  a public litigant                                                                    
     lawsuit  against  a  legally permitted  project  is  in                                                                    
     effect zero.  There is very  little risk in  bringing a                                                                    
     suit. All  the risk is  borne by the  defendants. These                                                                    
     actions do  shut down projects at  significant costs to                                                                    
     working  Alaskans, businesses  and the  state treasury.                                                                    
     CSHB  168(JUD)   seeks  to  remedy  the   situation  by                                                                    
     leveling the playing field.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
     CSHB  168(JUD)  parallels  the requirements  of  Alaska                                                                    
     Civil  Rule  65(c).  As   written,  65(c)  states:  "no                                                                    
     restraining  order  or   preliminary  injunction  shall                                                                    
     issue  except  upon  the  giving  of  security  by  the                                                                    
     applicant, in such  sum as the court  deems proper, for                                                                    
     the  payment  of  such  costs and  damages  as  may  be                                                                    
     incurred or suffered by any  party who is found to have                                                                    
     been wrongfully enjoined or restrained."                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
     At the  request of  the Department of  Law, HB  168 was                                                                    
     amended to  more closely mirror the  language of Alaska                                                                    
     Civil Rule 65(c) in order  to clarify that the proposed                                                                    
     statute  would not  change the  court  rule. The  court                                                                    
     already  has  the  ability to  require  security.  CSHB
     168(JUD)  simply  requests  that part  of  the  court's                                                                    
     deliberation  process should  include payment  of wages                                                                    
     and  benefits for  employees,  payments to  contractors                                                                    
     and  sub-contractors of  the industrial  operation that                                                                    
     is  shut down.  The amount  of security  and how  it is                                                                    
     calculated is totally within the hands of the court.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
2:09:32 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR FRENCH  recapped an earlier  conversation with  the sponsor                                                               
regarding  primacy   and  relayed  that  he   subsequently  asked                                                               
Legislative  Legal  to  address  that question  and  whether  the                                                               
current version of the bill may  raise issues for the EPA similar                                                               
to those  it expressed in  a 2006 letter  about a bill  passed by                                                               
the  Utah Legislature.  Legislative  Counsel,  Dennis C.  Bailey,                                                               
said the short answer is  "Yes." He asked Representative Feige if                                                               
he had had an opportunity to read the memo.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  FEIGE confirmed  that  he was  familiar with  the                                                               
Utah case.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR FRENCH explained the issue is  whether or not Alaska law is                                                               
the same  as federal  law with respect  to injunctions.  Too much                                                               
separation  jeopardizes  the  state's   position  of  primacy  on                                                               
several areas of  permitting. He asked the sponsor  if his office                                                               
sought any legal advice regarding the primacy issue.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  FEIGE  replied  they asked  for  verification  on                                                               
several question.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR FRENCH asked  if the responses were in memo  form or verbal                                                               
conversations with attorneys.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE FEIGE said both.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR FRENCH asked  if he cared to share any  of those memos with                                                               
the committee.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE FEIGE  said he didn't bring  that information, but                                                               
he did  not believe the  bill raised a significant  primacy issue                                                               
and  he was  prepared  to  add intent  language  to clarify  that                                                               
point.                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
2:12:12 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR FRENCH  asked if  an unjust  result in  any case  in Alaska                                                               
illustrates the need for the bill.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE FEIGE  cited the  May 2004 Pogo  Mine case  as one                                                               
example that put some people out  of work for about two weeks. In                                                               
another example Shell Oil's projects  on the Chukchi and Beaufort                                                               
seas  were  stopped  for  several  years.  About  700  jobs  were                                                               
affected the summer  he was involved. He opined  that the concept                                                               
of enjoining a resource project was  not unusual and the bill was                                                               
being proactive.                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
2:13:39 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR FRENCH asked if bonds were posted in the Shell cases.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  FEIGE said  he didn't  know;  those were  federal                                                               
cases.                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR FRENCH  reminded the committee  that primacy is  whether or                                                               
not Alaska law tracks federal law.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR  PASKVAN  asked  about  the federal  legal  standard  for                                                               
posting  a bond  that is  similar to  or different  than what  is                                                               
proposed in the bill.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE FEIGE deferred the question to Mike Jungreis.                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
2:15:08 PM                                                                                                                    
MIKE JUNGREIS,  member, Resource  Development Council  of Alaska,                                                               
Inc., (RDC),  testified in  support of  HB 168.  He spoke  of the                                                               
awesome  power of  judges to  grant  injunctions and  highlighted                                                               
that the bill is aimed  only at preliminary adjudications, before                                                               
a  judge knows  whether a  permit, for  example, was  properly or                                                               
improperly granted. It  gives the court guidance  on what factors                                                               
to consider  in deciding whether  or not to grant  an injunction,                                                               
including  the potential  damage to  employees, contractors,  and                                                               
small  businesses.  He  emphasized  that the  decision  does  not                                                               
restrict any access  to the court or the ability  of the court to                                                               
issue a final injunction.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
He  reported  that  the  Ninth   Circuit  Court  of  Appeals  has                                                               
occasionally  issued injunctions  to  stop projects  with only  a                                                               
minimum  bond  requirement.  The   Kensington  Mine  case  is  an                                                               
example. Also, the  U.S. Supreme Court held that there  must be a                                                               
determination as  to whether  a bond should  be required  and the                                                               
amount.  He  emphasized  that it  is  certainly  consistent  with                                                               
federal law and  has been Alaska's long-standing law  that a bond                                                               
be issued. The  bill neither extends nor restricts  the powers of                                                               
the court; it gives guidelines.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
MR. JUNGREIS opined that the  current situation is out of balance                                                               
because the  applicants have no  skin in  the game. They  are not                                                               
required  to  come  up  with  any way  to  protect  the  project,                                                               
employees, and contractors  for the damage that can  be done with                                                               
a preliminary injunction. The bill  tries to redress that balance                                                               
and place things  on an even keel. Finally, it  does not restrict                                                               
the  state's power  to grant  permits; it  only applies  to third                                                               
parties.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR FRENCH asked if he was familiar with the Pogo Mine case.                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
MR.  JUNGREIS said  yes, but  he couldn't  say that  this statute                                                               
would have come into play. He  reiterated that it would have been                                                               
invoked in  the Kensington  case, and opined  that it  would have                                                               
been  helpful  to  all  concerned  if  the  courts  had  specific                                                               
guidelines for evaluating damage.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
2:21:40 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR PASKVAN  asked if the  state has  the ability to  file an                                                               
injunction.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MR. JUNGREIS said  this proposal would not affect  the state; the                                                               
state is excused from posting a bond for injunctions.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE FEIGE  added that the state  could simply withdraw                                                               
or suspend the permit if it wanted to stop a project.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR PASKVAN  asked if the  state has  the ability to  seek an                                                               
immediate injunction during the operational phase.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE   FEIGE  offered   his   understanding  that   the                                                               
department can shut down a project based on the permitting.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
2:24:17 PM                                                                                                                    
RACHEL  PETRO,  President  and   CEO,  Alaska  State  Chamber  of                                                               
Commerce,  testified  in  support  of  HB  168,  version  D.  She                                                               
reported that  the Alaska Chamber  set litigation  reform related                                                               
to resource development  in Alaska as a  top legislative priority                                                               
this year. She said under  current law it costs virtually nothing                                                               
to challenge a legally permitted  project in Alaska. The risk and                                                               
cost of  litigation is borne  by the defendants and  Alaskans are                                                               
put out  of work. HB 168  seeks to level the  legal playing field                                                               
without infringing  on any  party's right  to bring  a legitimate                                                               
issue to court. The bill does  not attempt to change court rules;                                                               
it simply  articulates a request  that wages of  working Alaskans                                                               
be considered.  She expressed hope  that the bill would  gain the                                                               
same bipartisan support it enjoyed in the House.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR FRENCH asked  if she had any examples where  the bill might                                                               
have prevented a wrongful injunction  that shut down a project if                                                               
the party seeking the injunction had to post a bond.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
MS. PETRO offered to follow up with specific examples.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR FRENCH said the question he  was trying to answer was, "Are                                                               
we doing something wrong we need to fix?"                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
2:28:11 PM                                                                                                                    
ANDREW KELLER, representing himself,  Fairbanks, AK, testified in                                                               
opposition to  HB 168.  He stated that  the bill  will discourage                                                               
parties  from questioning  permits  granted  to corporations  for                                                               
industrial projects and  effectively prohibit whistle-blowing. It                                                               
will  seriously reduce  the ability  to protect  the air,  water,                                                               
wildlife, and  safety from  corporate irresponsibility.  He noted                                                               
              rd                                                                                                                
the recent  23  year anniversary  of the Exxon Valdez  spill, and                                                               
warned against making it harder  to prevent errors that result in                                                               
disaster.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
2:29:49 PM                                                                                                                    
BOB DICKSON, representing himself,  Anchorage, AK, summarized his                                                               
legal career and said he was  testifying in support of HB 168. He                                                               
said the  first point is that  the bill does not  deter access to                                                               
the court;  it simply requires  the court to follow  the existing                                                               
Court Rule 65(c). He read subsection  (c) and relayed that in all                                                               
his experience he has yet to see a bond required.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
He  addressed  the  primacy  question  saying  it's  an  argument                                                               
without merit  because the primacy  issue deals with  the process                                                               
for issuing  permits and the  bill does not involve  that process                                                               
at all. He  also pointed out that Alaska Civil  Rule 65(c) is the                                                               
same as  the federal rule  65(c). It says  the court may  issue a                                                               
preliminary injunction  or a temporary restraining  order only if                                                               
the movement  gives security  in the  amount the  court considers                                                               
proper. The  problem, he said,  is that courts  grant injunctions                                                               
without following the rule and requiring a bond.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
He  noted that  the Legal  Services memorandum  talked about  the                                                               
legal grounds  for getting a preliminary  injunction, and pointed                                                               
out  that  the  standard  is A.J.  Industries  v.  Alaska  Public                                                             
Service  Commission.   That  standard  allows  courts   to  issue                                                             
injunctions  even   when  the  defendant  cannot   be  adequately                                                               
protected. The problem  is that it actually takes  very little to                                                               
challenge  a development  project.  This bill  would remedy  that                                                               
situation  and help  the  wage earners  and  subcontractors on  a                                                               
project.  Addressing  the  question  of where  this  has  been  a                                                               
problem,  he said  no one  can come  up with  a specific  example                                                               
because  those  cases  are  typically  settled  so  there  is  no                                                               
determination of a prevailing party.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR PASKVAN asked if  maintaining primacy requires compliance                                                               
with a  standard that is  no less  than the same  opportunity for                                                               
judicial review under federal law.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
MR.  DICKSON offered  his understanding  that it  relates to  the                                                               
permitting process.  To the extent  that it  addresses equivalent                                                               
judicial  law, both  the state  and federal  65(c) rules  are the                                                               
same.                                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR PASKVAN  again asked if maintaining  primacy requires the                                                               
state to provide  access to judicial review that is  no less than                                                               
the federal standard.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
MR. DICKSON said the access goes  to the ability to appeal to the                                                               
court the issuance of a permit  and the bill doesn't affect that.                                                               
Anyone can  go into court and  try to explain how  the permitting                                                               
process is  flawed and that would  be the same in  both the state                                                               
and federal court systems.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR  PASKVAN asked  if  it  could be  argued  that the  state                                                               
system is more  restrictive than the federal  system with respect                                                               
to parties before the court.                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR. DICKSON offered  his understanding that federal  law does not                                                               
have  an  equivalent to  HB  168,  but  the  test for  getting  a                                                               
preliminary injunction in federal court  is basically the same as                                                               
in state court. A lot  of federal courts are entering injunctions                                                               
without requiring any bonds, he said.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
2:38:45 PM                                                                                                                    
TERRY  SEVY, representing  himself,  Anchorage,  AK, stated  firm                                                               
opposition  to  HB  168.  He  said  the  bill  will  favor  large                                                               
corporations and strip individuals of  their right to take action                                                               
against such  corporations by making it  economically impossible.                                                               
He spoke to  the importance of developing  resources prudently to                                                               
ensure clean air  and water for future generations.  HB 168 lacks                                                               
such wisdom and invites disaster, he said.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
2:41:04 PM                                                                                                                    
BONNIE  ZIRCLE, representing  herself, Palmer,  AK, testified  in                                                               
opposition to HB 168. She  displayed photos showing damage to her                                                               
West  Virginia family  home, farmland,  and  nearby streams.  She                                                               
explained the  family home  and farm  was near  an open  pit mine                                                               
that blasted  once a day, and  that her Palmer home  and hundreds                                                               
of others  were located  within a mile  of the  proposed Wishbone                                                               
Hill Mine  in Palmer.  She said  it will  have the  same blasting                                                               
schedule. Because her  experience in West Virginia  was a damaged                                                               
home, slurry pond residue on  farmland and contaminated wells and                                                               
streams,  she questioned  how  it would  be  possible to  protect                                                               
homes and families in the MatSu Valley if HB 168 were to pass.                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
2:44:53 PM                                                                                                                    
ANDY MODEROW,  Executive Director, Alaska  Conservation Alliance,                                                               
noted that  he submitted  written testimony.  He stated  that ACA                                                               
has concern that  HB 168 is unconstitutional,  punitive, and does                                                               
nothing  to  stop frivolous  litigants.  The  bill would  require                                                               
Alaskans  to bond  for  the  costs of  delay  if  a judge  issues                                                               
temporary relief  after initial  review of  a case.  He explained                                                               
that temporary  relief is  only granted  if a  case is  likely to                                                               
succeed and if irreparable harm will  occur if it is not granted.                                                               
If  a case  is  frivolous,  the judge  will  throw  it out.  This                                                               
punishes  Alaskans  that  bring  the  strongest  cases  and  does                                                               
nothing to punish  the frivolous litigant. He  emphasized that it                                                               
runs contrary  to the American  tradition of  protecting whistle-                                                               
blowers to require  a citizen to pay for a  governmental error or                                                               
a corporation not  following the terms of a  permit. He concluded                                                               
stating that  communities, tribal  organizations, municipalities,                                                               
and individual Alaskans  ought to have the right to  stand up for                                                               
clean air, land, and water.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
2:46:30 PM                                                                                                                    
TOM WALDO,  Attorney, Earth Justice,  Juneau, AK, stated  that HB
168 impermissibly prevents citizens  from making effective use of                                                               
the  courts to  protect  resources by  requiring  the posting  of                                                               
unaffordable bonds.  He emphasized that  it is very  difficult to                                                               
get a preliminary injunction. The  applicant has to show the case                                                               
is very strong  and that irreparable harm will  result absent the                                                               
stay.  These requests  aren't made  very often,  but can  be very                                                               
important. He said  his experience is that  bonds for injunctions                                                               
for  industrial operations  would  often be  in  the millions  of                                                               
dollars.  This means  the bill  effectively prevents  people from                                                               
getting  preliminary injunctions  or stays  in any  circumstance,                                                               
even to prevent irreparable harm.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
He listed three reasons that  the bill would be unconstitutional.                                                               
First,  it changes  court  rules adopted  by  the Alaska  Supreme                                                               
Court  that already  govern injunctions,  stays,  and bonds.  The                                                               
court  would  have  no  discretion.  Second,  it  violates  equal                                                               
protection because it singles out  a particular class of citizens                                                               
for  particularly discriminatory  treatment.  Third, it  violates                                                               
due process,  because it deprives  citizens of  meaningful access                                                               
to the courts to get interim relief.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
MR. WALDO  stated that Earth  Justice represented  the appellants                                                               
in  the  Pogo  Mine  litigation,   and  that  is  a  particularly                                                               
inappropriate example to illustrate any  reason for HB 168. There                                                               
was never  an injunction  and the  case never  went to  court. He                                                               
explained that the EPA issued a  permit under the Clean Water Act                                                               
and  Earth Justice  filed an  appeal to  establish a  legal point                                                               
about  jurisdiction under  the Act.  The Pogo  Mine responded  by                                                               
stopping  construction and  laying off  workers. Although  people                                                               
attribute that to an injunction, the  parties to the case did not                                                               
intend to shut down the mine.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
He  concluded that  the effect  of the  bill will  be to  prevent                                                               
citizens  from  getting  needed  relief  in  cases  where  it  is                                                               
appropriate in order to avoid  a hypothetical problem that no one                                                               
has been able to establish exists in the real world.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
2:51:28 PM                                                                                                                    
EMILY  BREEZE,  representing herself,  Healy,  AK,  said she  was                                                               
testifying against  HB 168  because it  works to  erode cherished                                                               
and vital  constitutional rights: the  right to have  one's voice                                                               
heard and access to the courts.  She spoke of the option to bring                                                               
forth local grievances and issues,  the ability to ask questions,                                                               
and voice concerns  or support, and described  these as treasured                                                               
actions. She  relayed that  she lives  in a  town that  feels the                                                               
effects  of   resource  development,   and  that   fracking  will                                                               
potentially occur beneath  her house. If HB 168 were  to pass she                                                               
couldn't  ask for  a second  look on  these projects  because she                                                               
couldn't afford the  bond. She stated that it was  the job of the                                                               
court  system to  weed  out frivolous  lawsuits,  and the  people                                                               
should listen if the court finds reason for an injunction.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
MS.  BREEZE  concluded   that  by  opposing  the   bill  she  was                                                               
supporting  the   creation  of   future  jobs,   the  responsible                                                               
cultivation of  natural resources, the  health and safety  of her                                                               
family  and community  members, and  the right  to have  an equal                                                               
opportunity to have her voice heard.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
2:53:47 PM                                                                                                                    
MIKE  SATRY, Executive  Director,  Council  of Alaska  Producers,                                                               
Juneau, AK,  testified in support of  HB 168. He stated  that the                                                               
council supports a rigorous  science-based permitting system that                                                               
allows  responsible   development  of  Alaska's   resources.  The                                                               
council  also respects  the established  public  process used  to                                                               
manage  these resources.  However,  when a  permitted project  is                                                               
inappropriately  enjoined   it  can  harm  Alaskan   workers  and                                                               
families due  to lost  wages and opportunities.  HB 168  seeks to                                                               
mitigate this  issue by requiring  parties seeking  an injunction                                                               
or stay to  post a bond to  cover lost wages and  benefits if the                                                               
project  is found  to be  wrongfully  enjoined. It  appropriately                                                               
directs the  court to consider  the potential for lost  wages and                                                               
benefits  when  addressing  industrial operations.  He  said  the                                                               
council is  respectful of an  individual's rights to  seek relief                                                               
through the courts  if they believe a permit has  been granted in                                                               
error. By giving  the courts broad discretion  in the calculation                                                               
of the bond, the bill protects the rights of both parties.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
The bill does  not affect federal permits  appeals or litigation;                                                               
it does not  prevent appeals or litigation of  state permits; and                                                               
it  does not  impair the  state's regulatory  responsibilities or                                                               
permit enforcement  activities. It does encourage  involvement in                                                               
the  early  stages  of public  participation  in  the  permitting                                                               
process and it  requires litigants of state  permits to recognize                                                               
the financial risk of their actions.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
2:56:35 PM                                                                                                                    
KATHY  WASSERMAN,  Executive  Director, Alaska  Municipal  League                                                               
(AML), stated that AML is very  concerned about HB 168 because it                                                               
does not  make the municipal  exemption clear. The  current court                                                               
rule  says that  municipalities  are exempt  from securities  and                                                               
injunctions and it is important to maintain that exemption.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  FRENCH said  he heard  testimony that  the state  might be                                                               
exempt  from   the  rule  but   he  didn't   hear  municipalities                                                               
mentioned.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
2:58:37 PM                                                                                                                    
SHIRLEY  MARQUART, Mayor,  City  of Unalaska,  AK and  President,                                                               
Alaska Municipal League, made two points  on the topic of HB 168.                                                               
The   first   related   to    maintaining   the   exemption   for                                                               
municipalities. She  said occasions do exist  when a municipality                                                               
decides to speak on an issue  or effect a change by going through                                                               
the court system.  This wouldn't be possible  if the municipality                                                               
had to set aside what may be  millions of dollars to post a bond.                                                               
This would endanger municipal operating funds.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
The second point  was that the bill did not  include fisheries as                                                               
an   "industrial  organization."   She   discussed  the   federal                                                               
injunction  granted in  2000 to  protect Steller  sea lions  that                                                               
shut down  cod and  pollock fisheries  in the  western Aleutians.                                                               
Although there  is no  link between those  fisheries and  the low                                                               
pup  count,  Adak,  Unalaska,  Akutan,  Sand  Point,  King  Cove,                                                               
Kodiak, and  63 CDQ villages  in western Alaska have  been living                                                               
under an injunction for 12 years.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
3:01:54 PM                                                                                                                    
BARBARA  HUFF-TUCKNESS,  Director, Governmental  and  Legislative                                                               
Affairs, Teamsters  Local 959,  testified in  support of  HB 168.                                                               
She said  she didn't  believe the bill  changed any  court rules.                                                               
The  union doesn't  have deep  pockets and  potential injunctions                                                               
are taken  very seriously. She  spoke to what the  union supports                                                               
with  regard  to   clean  air,  land,  water   and  safe  working                                                               
conditions on  projects. She maintained  there was  nothing wrong                                                               
with asking  people to  put a  little skin in  the process  if it                                                               
encouraged people  to be more  proactive at the beginning  of the                                                               
environmental process.  Both sides  of the issue  definitely need                                                               
to be heard, and HB 168  doesn't close that door. Individuals and                                                               
groups  will continue  to  be  able to  voice  their concerns  in                                                               
court, but  the bill  provides some relief  for workers  that are                                                               
inappropriately impacted.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE FEIGE  addressed the concerns that  were raised in                                                               
testimony.  He  said  existing state  law  covers  AML's  concern                                                               
regarding  whether or  not municipalities  would  be exempt  from                                                               
posting  bonds. He  directed attention  to  AS 09.68.040  Parties                                                               
exempt from giving bond and read subsection (a):                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
     (a) In an action or proceeding  in a court in which the                                                                    
     state  or a  municipality is  a party  or in  which the                                                                    
     state  or  a  municipality  is interested,  a  bond  or                                                                    
     undertaking   is  not   required   of   the  state,   a                                                                    
     municipality,   or  an   officer   of   the  state   or                                                                    
     municipality.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
Referring to  the pictures Ms.  Zircle distributed,  he suggested                                                               
that the permitting process in  Alaska is significantly different                                                               
than  in  West Virginia.  The  fact  that  no permits  have  been                                                               
rejected in  the last five  years speaks  to the strength  of the                                                               
system. He  continued that  Court Rule  65(c) already  requires a                                                               
bond and the bill simply asks  the court to consider the wages of                                                               
affected employees  and contractors in  any bond that  is posted.                                                               
It  does   not  give   specific  direction   to  the   judges  or                                                               
significantly change  that rule.  Citizens will continue  to have                                                               
the ability to bring suit.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
To address the primacy issue  he offered suggested language for a                                                               
letter of intent that would accompany the bill:                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
     It is the intent of  the legislature that when deciding                                                                    
     what  security  to  require  of   a  party  seeking  an                                                                    
     injunction or stay of a  permit affecting an industrial                                                                    
     operation,  a court  can consider  the effect  that the                                                                    
     injunction  or stay  could have  on  the employees  and                                                                    
     contractors of the permittee. It  is also the intent of                                                                    
     the legislature not to  constrain the court's authority                                                                    
     or  discretion  under  governing court  rules,  but  to                                                                    
     direct  the  court's  attention  to  that  category  of                                                                    
     potential  harm to  the  permittee,  its employees  and                                                                    
     contractors  that  the  requirement  of  surety  should                                                                    
     protect  against.  It  is the  further  intent  of  the                                                                    
     legislature   that   this  legislation   operating   in                                                                    
     conjunction  with  AS   09.68.040(c)  will  assure  the                                                                    
     court's  consideration  of  the  potential  impacts  to                                                                    
     permittees,    employees,   and    contractors   facing                                                                    
     suspension of the permitted operations.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  FRENCH said  the  primacy issue  was  his biggest  concern                                                               
about the bill.  Similar legislation passed in  Utah and Governor                                                               
Huntsman vetoed it based on  the primacy issue. The Department of                                                               
Natural  Resources  brought  up  primacy concerns  last  year  in                                                               
testimony before the House Judiciary  Committee. The court system                                                               
also expressed  concerns about managing  these bonds. He  said he                                                               
would continue to research the issue.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR FRENCH held HB 168 in committee.                                                                                          

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